Update on native TRIM in Windows 7

[Tony]

As you all know by now Vertex FW1.3 does not have windows native ATA TRIM, with you all going TRIM crazy I asked when Vertex will have native ATA TRIM and I have been forwarded the schedule.

Now I can not give you exact dates...don't ask, you won't get.

Vertex...this month.
Summit...before Windows 7 official launch (via FW update)

Reason for this....Standard is still not fully finalized...

lastly...please don't shoot the messenger, i have gone out of my way to bring this news to you.

Now....here is the good part:

1 you already have TRIM in windows, wiper 0525 is VERY good, yes there are issues with Non-member raid but for the bulk who run IDE or AHCI it looks OK.

2 Its working with all windows 64Bit OS now...(we will see people with the odd issue though)

3 Its free....just download and use.

4 There is a sticky thread showing how to schedule it.

[HDCHOPPER]

Cool ! Thanks Tony

[ralphrmartin]

2 Its working with all 64Bit OS now...(we will see people with the odd issue though)

MacOS X is 64-bit...

OK, I guess the title of this thread is TRIM in Windows 7...

[Drizzit]

Thank you for your hard work Tony keep it up!

[peter huber]

Tony
I understand this as: the opening of the roadmap does mean, that Indlinx will not open there vendor specific commands?

I do not fight with Win7 (even care about at the moment), but I need it for my current system which is not supported from the delivered tools.

For me it will be very late to have the chance to implement TRIM on the host bus adapter and really use the vertex
(even more when the next FW will be delayed as the last...)

[Tony]

There looks to be an official schedule everyone is working to with TRIM, regardless of what you read other people posting this is the message i got back from Indilinx and samsung.

So if Wiper is not working for you, you could image, then boot to another windows disk and use sanitary erase on the vertex then image back

[peter huber]

The problem is, that all tools (FW flasher, wiper, sanitary erase) do not find the drives, because of the host bus adapter (is a SAS)
-> so even sanitary erase is not working

--> to do one of the above, I have to deconnect the drive and connect it to a native SATA port and run the tool then (imagine that I have three or six drives connected to the host bus adapter...)
--> I need this for custmer systems, not for me personal, but our custumers should not be engaged in reconnecting drives!

[RyderOCZ]

You should also be contacting the controller manufacturer Peter, they need to implement the ability to pass the commands to the drives.

Any tool we provide you will rely on the firmware of the controller passing the commands, which is what you are running into.

[me&er]

......Now I can not give you exact dates...don't ask, you won't get.
Vertex...this month.
Summit...before Windows 7 official launch (via FW update)
Reason for this....Standard is still not fully finalized...
lastly...please don't shoot the messenger, i have gone out of my way to bring this news to you......

Many thanks Tony.. respect to you, OCZ, Indilinx et al.

What is firmly in the public domain is the T13 gathering later in the month hosted by Phoenix. Let's hope we can all be patient to see how things 'cascade' from there.. BIOS vendors will need a little more time to 'liase' with chipset/mobo manfrs to modify o/b RAID Rom hooks for those that need it. Hardware RAID manfrs should be ahead of the game like most of the SSD/Controller manfrs and Microsoft.. Apple, I wouldn't even try to figure out.. open source could reverse engineer or wait like the rest of us.

I would reckon that the o/b RAIDers may have to wait a little longer than some.. this includes me, but so what if we do.. as you say TRIM, Trim, trimming blah blah is mostly fine and dandy with Wiper/Vertex.

No more posts from me about ATA TRIM or current Win 7 flavour.. .

[managerman]

Once trim is implemented officially in the next firmware for windows 7, will trim work on intel chipset raid?

-M

[Blitzo]

Does wiper work on Raid-0 configuration? I tried searching and couldn't find the answer. My bad.

I'm getting low random reads from my raid-0 config using ICH10R and windows 7 (FW 1.3 on both drives). Went throught the tweak guide too.

[Tony]

no...wiper works single drive ide or ahci

[Blitzo]

no...wiper works single drive ide or ahci

If I set to IDE in bios, run wiper... will that work or am I stuck with degradation in speed over time with the raid array?

[Tony]

you would need to run a drive that is just held for booting to for wiper duties...you could use an old HDD on one of the other controllers so its out the way and use the boot menu to boot to it...then set IDE mode...boot to the spare drive and run wiper on the array.

Also consider testing CCleaner, look up the threads here on the forum, for some it restores full speed.

[harshw]

MacOS X is 64-bit...

OK, I guess the title of this thread is TRIM in Windows 7...

OSX 10.1 - 10.5 kernel is 32 bit but it supports 64 bit programs. All the included apps with OSX are 32 bit. If you want 64 bit programs you need to have specific versions

But 10.6 is supposed to have a 100% 64 bit stack